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#185335 - 04/05/10 11:31 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: Roadrunner]
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And I got the impression from your remarks that mainstream is unacceptable.
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#185337 - 04/06/10 12:04 AM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: shakey56]
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Perfectly acceptable (Mainstream). UNLESS there is solid evidence supporting another view/side that mainstream refuses to address.
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#185338 - 04/06/10 12:43 AM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: Roadrunner]
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Virtually every piece of evidence for either view on any subject has been addressed by the other side in my experience, and if it hasn't been, it soon will be. For example, your contention that climate change on other plants disproves the theory that mankind is influencing weather patterns here has been addressed quite well, yet you state it as fact. Not all planets are warming and for some of those that are we have far too little data (long years could mean simple seasonal changes) to determine the reason. The sun, the one constant between planets, has not shown a trend toward brightening over the last 60 years.

Part of the problem comes from how we define solid evidence. What one side will see as solid since it supports their bias the other side will shoot full of holes.

Perfectly acceptable (non-mainstream) as long as their is solid evidence to support it
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#185344 - 04/06/10 11:56 AM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: shakey56]
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Part of the problem comes from how we define solid evidence. What one side will see as solid since it supports their bias the other side will shoot full of holes.

Perfectly acceptable (non-mainstream) as long as their is solid evidence to support it
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Virtually every piece of evidence for either view on any subject has been addressed by the other side in my experience, and if it hasn't been, it soon will be.


I couldn't disagree more. Subjects that "mainstream" decides, for whatever reason to not address are ridiculed no end in the media. The only "place" they may get some serious exposure is in the "conspiracy" format. The "average" person usually has no time or inclination to research topics and therefore presented with a one-sided "proper" view, accept it. Control of the public airwaves is around 90%.

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For example, your contention that climate change on other plants disproves the theory that mankind is influencing weather patterns here has been addressed quite well, yet you state it as fact. Not all planets are warming and for some of those that are we have far too little data (long years could mean simple seasonal changes) to determine the reason. The sun, the one constant between planets, has not shown a trend toward brightening over the last 60 years.


Number one Shakey I did not say that climate change on other planets disproves the theory mankind is influencing weather patterns here. In fact I have said exactly the opposite. The data for planets in this solar system (warming, cooling or stationary ) are as accurate as for this earth's core samples which not all so called experts agree on either.

Further, the sun is not a constant and has shown significant patterns of change just in the last years.

No, sorry I am not going to buy into that premise.
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#185350 - 04/06/10 02:17 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: Roadrunner]
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Originally Posted By: Roadrunner



I couldn't disagree more. Subjects that "mainstream" decides, for whatever reason to not address are ridiculed no end in the media. The only "place" they may get some serious exposure is in the "conspiracy" format. The "average" person usually has no time or inclination to research topics and therefore presented with a one-sided "proper" view, accept it. Control of the public airwaves is around 90%.


The media is entirely different, and has nothing to do with wether or not science has addressed competing theories.

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Number one Shakey I did not say that climate change on other planets disproves the theory mankind is influencing weather patterns here. In fact I have said exactly the opposite. The data for planets in this solar system (warming, cooling or stationary ) are as accurate as for this earth's core samples which not all so called experts agree on either.

Further, the sun is not a constant and has shown significant patterns of change just in the last years.


This looks like you are saying just what I contend.

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Global warming is a fact, BUT, not the way the elite (Al Gore, etc.) are telling it. Blaming it on us earth dwellers is the biggest bunch of hooey. ALL THE PLANETS ARE WARMING, MELTING ICE CAPS, ETC., on the planets that have them. The same as is happening here. Carbon Footprint, yeh, another big fired scheme to make some money off the peons. However, what an opportunity to make some more $$$$$$$$$$$ off the little guy. Why is it always a fact that "the other side" of the story, other facts, are given little or no coverage. Or are ridiculed in what meager press they may get. A lot of topics fall in that category. What may surprise you is that with a little more reading, research, those hypothesis hold merit too. Global warming, our fault, yeh right. Then cool off Mars, Pluto, etc.


Oh and I said the sun was the one constant between planets not that it was constant, and I stand by the contention that the sun has not shown a trend towards brightening thus causing warming.

Did you ever consider the possibility that these theories are not covered and are ridiculed because they are poorly supported.
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#185359 - 04/06/10 05:34 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: shakey56]
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The media has everything to do with it. Please tell me how many times you have heard a conflicting opinion on popular media (i.e. Tesla, cold fusion, super collider, natural health, etc....................? Where money, power, control, is the name of the game you will hear little if anything. Gore's theory that man is entirely responsible is a cash cow for many and embracing it is the "pot of gold at the end of the rainbow" for a lot of people/companies. There is no control over the sun, or solar system so please don't have anyone mention that that might also be a factor.

Tenured researchers (universities, labs, etc.) are not going to go against anything that would jeopardize funding, their reputation, or their prestige.


These "theories" on more than one topic have been supported and have been covered by ridiculing. More than one researcher has left this country due to that fact.

A few years ago the sun was throwing off X flares consistantly in the high range of the scale. In fact one, as I recall, was completely off the scale used to measure such. If you are saying that this had no effect on the planets because it kept its place in proximity then I guess this conversation is over.
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#185371 - 04/06/10 06:55 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: Roadrunner]
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The conversation never really started...lol.

You have been asked often to show credible evidence for your pet theories and have yet to present any that I have seen. When you believe in psychics and the paranormal despite overwhelming evidence against their existence your credibility is in question. Oh yeah, I forgot big business in conjunction with the media squashed all the credible evidence. By all means enjoy your conspiracy theories even though they too have no credible evidence supporting them.
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#185410 - 04/06/10 09:04 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: shakey56]
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You are right about one thing...........the conversation never really got started. You've diligently tried to "put words, statements, and views" in my responses that I have never wrote. Rather rudely I might. Without ever addressing any of the issues I have pointed out to you.

Also psychics and the paranormal...........where did that come from, Shakey? Last time I read this thread we were discussing global issues. FYI the Bible is full of psychic and paranormal events. Take them out and you have nothing left but the cover. Jesus was one of the greatest psychics and healers. Just in case you've forgotten.
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#185411 - 04/06/10 09:26 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: Roadrunner]
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Psychics and the paranormal came from your posts on this board just like every other point I've made regarding your theories by quoting you directly. I have addressed the issues. You just don't want to look at contrary evidence.

FYI I don't give a damn what the bible says since I don't buy what it's selling. Oh and if you don't want rude, don't start with the tude dude.


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#185413 - 04/06/10 11:43 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: shakey56]
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Psychics and the paranormal came from your posts on this board just like every other point I've made regarding your theories by quoting you directly. I have addressed the issues. You just don't want to look at contrary evidence.

FYI I don't give a damn what the bible says since I don't buy what it's selling. Oh and if you don't want rude, don't start with the tude dude.


Grow up. I know where it came from. You're not even sharp enough to figure that out. It does not belong on this thread. Obviously you're very uncomfortable with the topic.

You've addressed nothing, Shakey, absolutely nothing. You did a lot of copying my quotes. Period.

If you cannot address me or anyone one else in an adult civil manner then have a nice one sided conversation. Last time I looked this was an adult board.
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#185415 - 04/07/10 01:09 AM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: Roadrunner]
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Then why did you ask? It belongs here since it fits your pattern as does your condescending attitude. Once again, I'm not uncomfortable with the topics at all. You like to assume I am since I don't buy into your theories. Seems I'm not the only one needing to grow up.
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