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#184943 - 03/30/10 06:27 AM And the world didn't end
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(CNN) -- Scientists at the Large Hadron Collider managed to make two proton beams collide at high energy Tuesday, marking a "new territory" in physics, according to CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research.

The $10 billion research tool has been accelerating the beams since November in the LHC's 17-mile tunnel on the border of Switzerland and France.

The beams have routinely been circulating at 3.5 TeV, or teraelectron volts, the highest energy achieved at the LHC so far, according to CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/science/03/30/large.hadron.collider/index.html?hpt=T1

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#184957 - 03/30/10 01:03 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: Greg]
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Might just take some time for the Micro to trigger the Macro, Greg...Got your fingers iin your ears? May take a few minutes...will it be a bang or a BANGY!!!!:-)
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#184972 - 03/30/10 05:26 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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if it creates a black hole, u honestly wont have time to fingerpoint and say "i told you so"
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#185145 - 04/02/10 12:03 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: crypticgimp]
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2012 isn't here yet.
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#185147 - 04/02/10 12:08 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: Roadrunner]
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I think the Mayans just got tired of making calendars and quit at 2012, that's all. :-)
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#185150 - 04/02/10 12:53 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Thinking the the Mayans had some mysterious knowledge that modern science has missed is laughable. They were incredibly primitive people still living in the stone age and practicing human sacrifices to please their gods when the Spanish discovered them.

The only way the world as we know it will end in 2012 is if Sarah Palin gets elected president.
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#185187 - 04/02/10 04:51 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: ghoti]
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Thinking the the Mayans had some mysterious knowledge that modern science has missed is laughable.


There's a lot of "discoveries" that mainstream science (in all fields) will not accept into their studies. Funding, convention, etc. are just a few reasons why this is so. For example Tesla and Einstein.

Maybe we're not smart enough to have figured out what that knowledge is yet.
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#185238 - 04/03/10 02:29 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: Roadrunner]
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the mayans werent talking about an actual physical end to the world, but a dramatic shift in how we think, interact etc. it's already happening.
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#185299 - 04/04/10 04:49 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: crypticgimp]
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Originally Posted By: crypticgimp
the mayans werent talking about an actual physical end to the world, but a dramatic shift in how we think, interact etc. it's already happening.



Exactly!
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#185302 - 04/04/10 08:36 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: Roadrunner]
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not being able to ask the Mayans, we only have speculation as to what they were actually talking abt, no?

RR, you seem predisposed to accept anything not mainstream. Isn't that more dangerous than being a sceptic? Oh and if it's not why are you such a sceptic with regard to mainstream science?
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#185318 - 04/05/10 05:05 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: shakey56]
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not being able to ask the Mayans, we only have speculation as to what they were actually talking abt, no?

RR, you seem predisposed to accept anything not mainstream. Isn't that more dangerous than being a sceptic? Oh and if it's not why are you such a sceptic with regard to mainstream science?


Shakey if there's only one thing quadriplegia has given me in this life it is time to read, study, workshop, conventions, seminairs, university..............

To say that I accept anything but mainstream is a serious "jump to conclusions". Before making any judgement call one should have something to back up their conclusion other than a few sentences.

Whether "anything" is mainstream or not any smart individual would examine it very closely to make sure it is as presented. Otherwise what was one way on week 1 is usually found to end up the other way on week 2. AND, there they are with "egg on their face".

What makes mainstream science the "sermon from the mount, the last word, the infallible truth?" They've been wrong so many times I doubt that anyone can count that high.
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#185319 - 04/05/10 05:22 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: Roadrunner]
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Yet your reading comprehension sucks...lol I said predisposed to accept which does not say you do accept anything. It only says you appear to be much more likely to. You have argued for the paranormal which makes mainstream science look infallible. You have argued for psychics which make mainstream science look God like in it's infallibility. You have argued that oil renews rapidly enough to supply our needs...need I go on?

ONOH, any mainstream science or institution seems suspect to you. Just wonder why the suspicion isn't universal?


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#185332 - 04/05/10 07:37 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: shakey56]
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Yet your reading comprehension sucks...lol I said predisposed to accept which does not say you do accept anything. It only says you appear to be much more likely to. You have argued for the paranormal which makes mainstream science look infallible. You have argued for psychics which make mainstream science look God like in it's infallibility. You have argued that oil renews rapidly enough to supply our needs...need I go on?

ONOH, any mainstream science or institution seems suspect to you. Just wonder why the suspicion isn't universal?


Yes, you will have to go on. You are wrong I have NOT said "oil renews rapidly enough to supply our needs", so I guess your reading comprehension is no better than mine. My reply was that there is another view, a theory on oil origins out there which goes against the accepted theory of "peak oil". Just simply that.

Personally I cannot be held responsible for what mainstream anything looks like or accepts. If you "wonder why the suspicion isn't universal" it means one of 2 things. Either I am wrong along with the others who have the audacity to read, study, independently think about whichever topic, or it means the majority is wrong in accepting what is told to them just because it came from mainstream.

Just simply that.
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#185333 - 04/05/10 10:17 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: Roadrunner]
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I would contend it means you are biased just like most of us. You tend to accept that which more closely resembles your views.

It does not mean your reading, studying and/or thinking is done more often or is somehow better than the reading, studying and/or thinking done by those who have come to accept the mainstream after considering the alternatives. There are those who blindly accept on either side of any argument just as there are those who inform themselves.

I did not say you were responsible for anything other than your own thoughts and actions.
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#185334 - 04/05/10 11:25 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: shakey56]
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I would contend it means you are biased just like most of us. You tend to accept that which more closely resembles your views.


No argument there.


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It does not mean your reading, studying and/or thinking is done more often or is somehow better than the reading, studying and/or thinking done by those who have come to accept the mainstream after considering the alternatives. There are those who blindly accept on either side of any argument just as there are those who inform themselves.


Again, I absolutely agree. It has been my personal experience, more than not, that there are those who more "blindly accept". I certainly did not intend to give any impression of somehow superior reading, studying, thinking than someone else. However, I do expect that anyone debating on any topic should have studied both sides of whatever the topic is.


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I did not say you were responsible for anything other than your own thoughts and actions.


I got the impression from your remark that unless one was "mainstream" they were somehow unacceptable.
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#185335 - 04/05/10 11:31 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: Roadrunner]
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And I got the impression from your remarks that mainstream is unacceptable.
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#185337 - 04/06/10 12:04 AM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: shakey56]
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Perfectly acceptable (Mainstream). UNLESS there is solid evidence supporting another view/side that mainstream refuses to address.
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#185338 - 04/06/10 12:43 AM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: Roadrunner]
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Virtually every piece of evidence for either view on any subject has been addressed by the other side in my experience, and if it hasn't been, it soon will be. For example, your contention that climate change on other plants disproves the theory that mankind is influencing weather patterns here has been addressed quite well, yet you state it as fact. Not all planets are warming and for some of those that are we have far too little data (long years could mean simple seasonal changes) to determine the reason. The sun, the one constant between planets, has not shown a trend toward brightening over the last 60 years.

Part of the problem comes from how we define solid evidence. What one side will see as solid since it supports their bias the other side will shoot full of holes.

Perfectly acceptable (non-mainstream) as long as their is solid evidence to support it
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#185344 - 04/06/10 11:56 AM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: shakey56]
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Part of the problem comes from how we define solid evidence. What one side will see as solid since it supports their bias the other side will shoot full of holes.

Perfectly acceptable (non-mainstream) as long as their is solid evidence to support it
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Virtually every piece of evidence for either view on any subject has been addressed by the other side in my experience, and if it hasn't been, it soon will be.


I couldn't disagree more. Subjects that "mainstream" decides, for whatever reason to not address are ridiculed no end in the media. The only "place" they may get some serious exposure is in the "conspiracy" format. The "average" person usually has no time or inclination to research topics and therefore presented with a one-sided "proper" view, accept it. Control of the public airwaves is around 90%.

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For example, your contention that climate change on other plants disproves the theory that mankind is influencing weather patterns here has been addressed quite well, yet you state it as fact. Not all planets are warming and for some of those that are we have far too little data (long years could mean simple seasonal changes) to determine the reason. The sun, the one constant between planets, has not shown a trend toward brightening over the last 60 years.


Number one Shakey I did not say that climate change on other planets disproves the theory mankind is influencing weather patterns here. In fact I have said exactly the opposite. The data for planets in this solar system (warming, cooling or stationary ) are as accurate as for this earth's core samples which not all so called experts agree on either.

Further, the sun is not a constant and has shown significant patterns of change just in the last years.

No, sorry I am not going to buy into that premise.
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#185350 - 04/06/10 02:17 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: Roadrunner]
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Originally Posted By: Roadrunner



I couldn't disagree more. Subjects that "mainstream" decides, for whatever reason to not address are ridiculed no end in the media. The only "place" they may get some serious exposure is in the "conspiracy" format. The "average" person usually has no time or inclination to research topics and therefore presented with a one-sided "proper" view, accept it. Control of the public airwaves is around 90%.


The media is entirely different, and has nothing to do with wether or not science has addressed competing theories.

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Number one Shakey I did not say that climate change on other planets disproves the theory mankind is influencing weather patterns here. In fact I have said exactly the opposite. The data for planets in this solar system (warming, cooling or stationary ) are as accurate as for this earth's core samples which not all so called experts agree on either.

Further, the sun is not a constant and has shown significant patterns of change just in the last years.


This looks like you are saying just what I contend.

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Global warming is a fact, BUT, not the way the elite (Al Gore, etc.) are telling it. Blaming it on us earth dwellers is the biggest bunch of hooey. ALL THE PLANETS ARE WARMING, MELTING ICE CAPS, ETC., on the planets that have them. The same as is happening here. Carbon Footprint, yeh, another big fired scheme to make some money off the peons. However, what an opportunity to make some more $$$$$$$$$$$ off the little guy. Why is it always a fact that "the other side" of the story, other facts, are given little or no coverage. Or are ridiculed in what meager press they may get. A lot of topics fall in that category. What may surprise you is that with a little more reading, research, those hypothesis hold merit too. Global warming, our fault, yeh right. Then cool off Mars, Pluto, etc.


Oh and I said the sun was the one constant between planets not that it was constant, and I stand by the contention that the sun has not shown a trend towards brightening thus causing warming.

Did you ever consider the possibility that these theories are not covered and are ridiculed because they are poorly supported.
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#185359 - 04/06/10 05:34 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: shakey56]
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The media has everything to do with it. Please tell me how many times you have heard a conflicting opinion on popular media (i.e. Tesla, cold fusion, super collider, natural health, etc....................? Where money, power, control, is the name of the game you will hear little if anything. Gore's theory that man is entirely responsible is a cash cow for many and embracing it is the "pot of gold at the end of the rainbow" for a lot of people/companies. There is no control over the sun, or solar system so please don't have anyone mention that that might also be a factor.

Tenured researchers (universities, labs, etc.) are not going to go against anything that would jeopardize funding, their reputation, or their prestige.


These "theories" on more than one topic have been supported and have been covered by ridiculing. More than one researcher has left this country due to that fact.

A few years ago the sun was throwing off X flares consistantly in the high range of the scale. In fact one, as I recall, was completely off the scale used to measure such. If you are saying that this had no effect on the planets because it kept its place in proximity then I guess this conversation is over.
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#185371 - 04/06/10 06:55 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: Roadrunner]
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The conversation never really started...lol.

You have been asked often to show credible evidence for your pet theories and have yet to present any that I have seen. When you believe in psychics and the paranormal despite overwhelming evidence against their existence your credibility is in question. Oh yeah, I forgot big business in conjunction with the media squashed all the credible evidence. By all means enjoy your conspiracy theories even though they too have no credible evidence supporting them.
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#185410 - 04/06/10 09:04 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: shakey56]
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You are right about one thing...........the conversation never really got started. You've diligently tried to "put words, statements, and views" in my responses that I have never wrote. Rather rudely I might. Without ever addressing any of the issues I have pointed out to you.

Also psychics and the paranormal...........where did that come from, Shakey? Last time I read this thread we were discussing global issues. FYI the Bible is full of psychic and paranormal events. Take them out and you have nothing left but the cover. Jesus was one of the greatest psychics and healers. Just in case you've forgotten.
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#185411 - 04/06/10 09:26 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: Roadrunner]
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Psychics and the paranormal came from your posts on this board just like every other point I've made regarding your theories by quoting you directly. I have addressed the issues. You just don't want to look at contrary evidence.

FYI I don't give a damn what the bible says since I don't buy what it's selling. Oh and if you don't want rude, don't start with the tude dude.


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#185413 - 04/06/10 11:43 PM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: shakey56]
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Psychics and the paranormal came from your posts on this board just like every other point I've made regarding your theories by quoting you directly. I have addressed the issues. You just don't want to look at contrary evidence.

FYI I don't give a damn what the bible says since I don't buy what it's selling. Oh and if you don't want rude, don't start with the tude dude.


Grow up. I know where it came from. You're not even sharp enough to figure that out. It does not belong on this thread. Obviously you're very uncomfortable with the topic.

You've addressed nothing, Shakey, absolutely nothing. You did a lot of copying my quotes. Period.

If you cannot address me or anyone one else in an adult civil manner then have a nice one sided conversation. Last time I looked this was an adult board.
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#185415 - 04/07/10 01:09 AM Re: And the world didn't end [Re: Roadrunner]
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Then why did you ask? It belongs here since it fits your pattern as does your condescending attitude. Once again, I'm not uncomfortable with the topics at all. You like to assume I am since I don't buy into your theories. Seems I'm not the only one needing to grow up.
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