#168885 - 10/23/09 06:49 PM
Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro
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Paulwa_dup1
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oh..Judy..Judy..Judy....somewhere over your shoulder...ah..ha ha. Probly be a pretty short career, PD.
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#168888 - 10/23/09 07:12 PM
Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro
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ghoti
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Paulwa, your constant posts declaring that your religious beliefs are the ONLY correct pathway are actually direct attacks on everyone else's faith. If you and Ronda can't see that, then you are the blind leading the blind.
If you wanted to avoid all the animosity, just accept that your pathway is the correct one FOR YOU but that others are free to disagree without constantly implying that they are condemned to eternal hellfire for it.
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#168890 - 10/23/09 07:34 PM
Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro
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Well that is what the bible says Ghoti but if you don't believe the bible then what does it matter what I say. Like I have always said we are individually responsible for our choices. If a person has made his choice and it does not include the path in the bible but some other path then they have to follow the directions of their religion and what I have tosay about it is of no consequences. Just the ranting of a blind person in their eyes. What difference does it matter what I say. I still say if my opinion of other paths disturb a person on that path then they are not very secure in their faith of that path. Jesus said Hell hath enlarged itself...so I guess He expects large crowds of people heading there on all the paths that lead away from the creator. I guess He should know if anyone should because He holds the keys to Heaven and hell and no one else does. If your faith is strong then no words from anyone can shake your faith. If you are shook then you need to rethink your religion and your allegiance to its God.
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#168892 - 10/23/09 07:50 PM
Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro
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hmmmm...so if my faith says Jesus and your God are already in hell, and your faith will take you down to join them. That's ok with you? It better be, cuz that's what you are saying to all of different faiths.
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#168894 - 10/23/09 07:57 PM
Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro
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Yes it is ok with me if you say that Shakey. Won't bother me I have total faith where I am heading and the bible describes it as peace and beautiful and fullof love of God for all. I am at total peace with that.
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#168897 - 10/23/09 08:12 PM
Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro
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Ok. Then I guess it's open warfare...lol
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#168902 - 10/23/09 09:15 PM
Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro
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Paulwa, I KNOW my beliefs are correct FOR ME. The reason I know it, however, is totally subjective, and because of that I don't go around telling people they should follow my lead.
I know that my subjective evidence, while convincing to me, can't really be directly experienced by others and I don't expect or want anyone to just accept what I say. Hopefully they will have their own subjective experiences with the creator will give them their own understanding that makes sense to them, just as you and I have.
You BELIEVE the Bible is the word of God, but that doesn't prove that it's true.
You BELIEVE that Jesus is the son of God and the only pathway to salvation, but that doesn't prove it's true.
I accept the fact that these things are convincing to you, and I respect that. They aren't convincing to me and many others, and that obviously isn't OK with you.
Expecting others to share your view of religion just because you say so is the height of arrogance IMO and diminishes the creator rather than glorifying him. How do you know that he doesn't reveal himself to many others in ways that they will understand, just like he has to you?
Edited by ghoti (10/23/09 09:17 PM)
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#168905 - 10/23/09 09:38 PM
Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro
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I don't get it ghoti I have said it is ok with me any number of ways before, how others believe.They can put their faith and trust in the easter bunny or the tooth fairy and it won't mean anything to me. I have just said because of my beliefs that I feel sad for them from my viewpoint but if they are happy with it who am I to complain. I don't care what any of you choose to believe if you are happy with it that is great.
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#168911 - 10/23/09 09:53 PM
Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro
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ghoti
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You may say you're OK with the beliefs of others, but then you constantly post things about yours being the only pathway to salvation and how all others are doomed. That isn't really acceptance of the beliefs of others, you know.
I'm happy that you have your faith, not sad for you. The creator has obviously chosen to reveal himself to you in a very different way than he has to me, and that's fine. Others have had very different revelations, and that's fine, too.
IMO true tolerance means accepting that the mansions of the creator are infinite, and that there are many pathways that lead people to him. That's all that really matters in the long run, isn't it?
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#168917 - 10/23/09 10:04 PM
Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro
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There is a scripture in the new testament where Jesus says He is the only way to the Father and there is no other. I believe Him. Guess that makes me a fundie but so be it. I won't put anyone down for choosing their own path. Just wish them good fortune in their quest.
Can we end this? Go however you feel like going because in the end you will have to stand or fall on what you believe and do with your life. Not anything I have said.
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#168925 - 10/23/09 10:16 PM
Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro
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ghoti
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Yup, and if I have to stand in judgement on the basis of how I've lived my life and my beliefs, I will do so with humility and confidence. As long as you can say the same, then all is well.
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#168928 - 10/23/09 10:18 PM
Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro
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Paulwa_dup1
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Agreed Ghoti.
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#168935 - 10/23/09 11:01 PM
Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro
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See Ronda, this is what nice, polite "debate" and "discussion" can do, a meeting of minds, an "agree to disagree" with a handshake.
I call for a group hug...anyone? anyone at all? someone? lol...ok...Ronda come here...Greg and I need a hug.
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#168936 - 10/23/09 11:15 PM
Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro
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Hey! Just a minute here! I demand if there's a non agreement it include no judgment at our end. We all got enough here 
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#168937 - 10/23/09 11:23 PM
Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro
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Paulwa_dup1
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hug an I'm goin ta bed! :-)
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