#150922 - 04/21/09 06:52 AM
Re: Why do we backslide?
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Davyd
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Jesus asked, " when I return...will I find faith?' He is not looking for sin free people because His blood sacrifice makes us clean in Gods eyes. Salvation comes more from His resurrection.
Whether we know Him or not.
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#150934 - 04/21/09 11:46 AM
Re: Why do we backslide?
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There is the point Davyd, we must know Him to be saved and not only know Him but be committed to Him. If we are not then we will be forever away from Him in a place prepared for satan and his angels called hell.
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#150972 - 04/21/09 08:15 PM
Re: Why do we backslide?
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Davyd
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I disagree with ya on that one Paul.
First I don't believe it's necessary that we know about Jesus. It's only necessary that we believe in God and knowing His character believe that He will provide a way. How that way is provided isn't needed.
And I disagree with the idea that given our lives are but a wisp of smoke... that we will spend an eternity being tomented due to some poor decisions made during such a short time.
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#150973 - 04/21/09 08:40 PM
Re: Why do we backslide?
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And I disagree with the idea that given our lives are but a wisp of smoke... that we will spend an eternity being tomented due to some poor decisions made during such a short time.
Thank you.
I also think it is incredibly ego driven for us to believe that we are such a focus for the Almighty given the enormity of his creation.
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#150974 - 04/21/09 09:21 PM
Re: Why do we backslide?
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Just following the book God gave us to follow.
Davyd you don't believe Jesus was sent to save the world? You don't beleive John 3:16?
I know modern viewpoints like to think there are multiple ways to go to God, many paths..but the bible and Jesus speaks of one path only and that is Jesus Christ.
It is God reaching out to us, not us trying to find Him. We are His creation and we are very important to Him according to the bible.
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#150977 - 04/21/09 09:29 PM
Re: Why do we backslide?
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I know modern viewpoints like to think there are multiple ways to go to God, many paths..but the bible and Jesus speaks of one path only and that is Jesus Christ.
Yes, that is why he sacrificed his life. Believe & be baptized is a great summation regarding salvation for someone who knows of Christ. I don't think those who never heard of him are hellbound. That would not make any sense.
Edited by flicka (04/21/09 09:34 PM)
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#150979 - 04/21/09 09:33 PM
Re: Why do we backslide?
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duplicate
Edited by flicka (04/21/09 09:33 PM)
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#150981 - 04/21/09 09:40 PM
Re: Why do we backslide?
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I am sure God will or has provided a level playing field for all from the beginning to the end of the age. No person will be at a disadvantage. Jesus went to hades in the grave and preached to all who were there that had not heard of Jesus sacrifice. Every person will have the chance to accept or reject Jesus at some point in his life. No one will be able to say, I never heard the message. I don't know how God will do it all but He will.
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#150986 - 04/21/09 11:57 PM
Re: Why do we backslide?
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Davyd
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Just following the book God gave us to follow.
Davyd you don't believe Jesus was sent to save the world? You don't beleive John 3:16?
I know modern viewpoints like to think there are multiple ways to go to God, many paths..but the bible and Jesus speaks of one path only and that is Jesus Christ.
It is God reaching out to us, not us trying to find Him. We are His creation and we are very important to Him according to the bible.
Paul
Easy Paul, don't jump the gun here. lol
Jesus death/resurrection was indeed God's plan for reconciliation. It's His only plan far as I know.
However, that doesn't mean you necessarily need to know Jesus in order to be accepted into Heaven. Everything you need to know about God is visible out yer front window. Knowing those things you'll soon discover that you ain't God. Almost immediately thereafter you'll discover that there's been a breach in the relationship between you and God. And hopefully you'll believe that God is willing and able to repair that breach. The "Good News" is that we are forunate to know the plan to repair that breach. For literally millions of people they will discover that it was Jesus that repaired the breach after they die, until then they only had faith that God would provide.
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#150987 - 04/22/09 12:04 AM
Re: Why do we backslide?
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Davyd
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And I disagree with the idea that given our lives are but a wisp of smoke... that we will spend an eternity being tomented due to some poor decisions made during such a short time.
Thank you. I also think it is incredibly ego driven for us to believe that we are such a focus for the Almighty given the enormity of his creation.
I think free will still plays a role here even after death. The choice seems to be to live eternally with God or die.
That's a tough one flicka... if we aren't a focus - what's the point?
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#151028 - 04/22/09 12:14 PM
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Davyd, beleiving in God is not enough to save you. Even the devil and His angels believe in God and tremble before Him, and will never be saved. You must chose the only path available to you while you are alive in this world, Jesus. Without Him you will die in your sins without a saviour and hell is the only result possible. Unless you are a Jew and under god's covenant with them. Jesus gives the only other covenant to His people. Even the Jews will accept Jesus as the Messiah before they die. Many will die in their sins because they don't even believe in God these days.
Just a guess but Jesus may present Himself to unsaved people as they pass into death in some cases as He judges their lives and then they may accept Him and be saved. But this is only a guess on my part. I haven't found anything in the bible to substantiate this.
paul
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#151030 - 04/22/09 12:22 PM
Re: Why do we backslide?
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That's a tough one flicka... if we aren't a focus - what's the point?
His ways are not our ways. Maybe there is no point we are capable of imagining.
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#151031 - 04/22/09 12:59 PM
Re: Why do we backslide?
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Davyd
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Davyd, beleiving in God is not enough to save you. Even the devil and His angels believe in God and tremble before Him, and will never be saved.
The devil and his angels have no reason to believe Paul, they are already quite aware of God's presence. Their shortcoming is that they do not act based on that knowledge
Just a guess but Jesus may present Himself to unsaved people as they pass into death in some cases as He judges their lives and then they may accept Him and be saved. But this is only a guess on my part. I haven't found anything in the bible to substantiate this.
paul
There's really no need to guess here. Everything that you need to konw about God{and be saved} is visible out yer front window. Whether you ever meet Jesus in person or read a Bible or meet another believer, God has already provided everything a person needs.
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#151033 - 04/22/09 01:41 PM
Re: Why do we backslide?
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Wouldn't bank on that viewpoint Davyd. I just don't think so. Sinners who will go to hell are looking out that same window.
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#151041 - 04/22/09 03:48 PM
Re: Why do we backslide?
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Davyd
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Actually I'm staking my life on that viewpoint Paul.
"For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."
And you will either respond to what you see or you won't. Knowing about Jesus, having a Bible and being able to speak freely to others about such things are a 'bonus'. There's really no need to go thru mental gymnastics about it trying to determine how or when someone might meet up with Jesus.
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